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Triggernometry Episode released (Patreon)

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2023-10-03 08:53:16
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2026-06
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New episode is out.

We are with the Triggernomety boys... and we are sorry for that but hopefully you can see why!

Comments, Feedback, Complaints... all welcome!

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Triggernometry's Big Moment: Entering the Guru Galaxy - Decoding the Gurus

In modern online ecosystems, attention and download metrics reign supreme. Sadly, the gurus are not immune to these incentives, with even the most succe...

Comments

Christoph

Hey guys, this is more of general comment. As you point out in this episode, there is an underlying insecurity behind what many of the guru figures are doing. Getting approval through big view counts etc. online alleviates some of that unease and provides a sense of greater self-worth, as Konstantin clearly expresses. An Argument: The culture war is fueled by morality in the sense that the different sides do not simply disagree on certain topics but that the people on the other side are somewhat lacking as humans. This is not always explicit but simply implying people need to change makes it easy to view that as moral judgement. It is hard to not react when someone questions your value as a person, which is why moralizing is a tragic action: Shaming someone into doing something good creates either conflict or an implicit submission to the idea that it is okay to threaten people with social exclusion. It is easy to see how this leads to the formation of moral camps in a conflict. When someone has issues with their self-worth, they probably have internalized moral communication, viewing themselves as lacking in some regard and fearing for their place in society. And, as the guru behaviors indicate, they seek to gain external approval to soothe this existential pain. I really enjoy what you do here and I value your light-hearted way of promoting critical thinking. However, I sometimes found myself a bit torn between enjoying your takedowns of people who lie, deceive, confuse, manipulate and feeling a bit uneasy about the tone, the personal critiques, the style of communication that you often apply. I can express that more clearly now: You, too, engage in moralizing. For example, calling Scott Adams animals names like slimy snake (or something similar) questions his worth as a human. Through the whole umbrella of “gurudom” and the “gurometer”, you create a connection between all the figures that you put through the decodings. That means further that everyone you cover is implied to be more or less morally worthy, which creates a pressure to defend or submit. Also, you rely heavily on ‘narcissism’ as an explanation for guru behaviors, pointing to psychological research. To me, it clearly reads like a moral judgement though, especially as you don't elaborate much on the science. I would love it if you had an interview with someone who emphasis a non-judgmental, i.e. scientific approach to narcissism. That would go well with your emphasis on the scientific method etc. To sum up: I imagine you, Matt and Chris, do not want to participate in a game of moral judgement, in which you contribute to creating more moral pressure and fear of exclusion. I think it is possible to do your work and illuminate the problematic impacts of what certain public figures do without judging them morally.

Protagonist Science

I am with you on the cringe that is Konstantin Kissin. Doing a flat culture war speech and talking about it as if he had defied the Nazi's personally ... god how little do these people have in their lives to be proud of? Feeling validated for that? Poor family.

C. J

Couldn’t finish it. I got as far as the “ever since I was a kid” bit. These guys are absolutely lifelong losers that have found a way to cash in on being cynical contrarian weirdos. They confuse popularity with actual value, no wonder KK is glowing with joy for his newfound attention. Weirdos.

Roland Weber

Thanks for the episode! I enjoyed listening to the decoding as well as to the updates on what's happening in the gurusphere. So glad that I can get a whiff of things here, without engaging with the original materials you deal with...

Curtis Kofoed

A lot has been said about what a cringe midwit kissin is, but Frances makes him look like an absolute genius lol

LaserRange

Massive tools are these two. 🤦‍♂️It's all I've got to say about that. But great work Chris and Matt. I just hope you are getting the necessary support required after putting this episode together: some things just can't be unlistened to.

Robert Andrews

Working from the band analogy, is Francis the Ringo of the band? Or is he the Bez? Or maybe the band is actually Right Said Fred, and this podcast is akin to the Fairbrass Brothers declaring that there is no limit to their success following "I'm Too Sexy!" Time will tell if Triggernometry become the next Beatles, OR if they are forced to become anti-vaxxers to regain some kind of relevance with people who dimly remember them.

brianshmrian

I think a key to understanding Konstantin's sense of accomplishment is that he probably sees the culture "war" as a real war and not just click-bait. I personally think the culture war preys upon some bug in human nature where people are addicted to feeling outraged. But for people who see the culture war as a true battle of ideas, the feeling of accomplishment for affecting the discourse makes sense.

A History of Rock n' Roll in Film and Rock n' Roll BONUS MATERIAL

As an American fan of yours, I hope you understand how special it is that when I hear Konstantin speak to Francis in terms of "The people wouldn't know this, but I usher you along, perhaps more strongly than I should sometimes..." I just hear David Lister saying to Arnold Rimmer "You're a sad weasel of a man, aren't yeh?" in my head. And it applies to both of these miserable douchebags.

Maarten Wesselius

"The world is gonna be fixed shortly I think, with so many people lending a hand."

Kgar

Omg this was hilarious. Konstantin is so damaged. Yes Matt, thank you K for your honesty. We all really needed a laugh.

Linda Sears

Learning about what actually happened with the UNICEF student group contract was illuminating because I could see how exaggeration and simplification were both used to create a more dramatic and divisive story than the real one.

Giovanni

My unsupported theory of why Sam Harris constantly is on podcasts that constantly annoy him is that he is addicted to being a kvetcher.

Kgar

It almost sounds like they’re pranking us. They can’t be that far gone, can they? “….never flew on private plane until cancelled”

Kgar

Wow. An edit button. Revolutionary.

Diane Morrison

I realised I was still subscribed to Triggernometry - so i unsubscribed ....I used to like some of the interviews, and I think they have become more and more indulgent of themselves and their guests as they have gone on, completely ignoring audience capture risks. I mentioned on the EUROTIME galaxy brain super rave that I kind of de-radicalised s a result of DTG, which is a story I would be more than willing to share in due course...but Triggernoms was a show i listen to /watched a lot in the beforetimes. I would say this wouldn't I since I'm not longer a fan but I think they have gotten a lot worse, mainly because K's massive ego and F's limpet-like attachment to something he has basically no input into have gotten swallowed by various discourse tsunamis.. Anyway, as i was going to unsubscribe I saw the latest video was an interview with Laurence Fox seemingly commiserating about how GB News doesn't care about free speech ...and all the comments were about how Ava Evans hates men and wants men to die. Fox and people like him use Triggernometry to launder their ideas , bringing their grievance-mongering A game to imply condonation of the identity-based harassment of people that disagree with them.

A History of Rock n' Roll in Film and Rock n' Roll BONUS MATERIAL

Just popping in on this month-old post to say I just clicked on a youtube video titled "Eric Weinstein Is Tired Of Not Being Islamophobic". It starts with the announcement from a producer that he's about to roll footage of Eric on "Triggernometry" and the two hosts cannot contain their immediate laughter upon hearing the incredibly juvenile, wannabe-badass name of Konstantin and Sideshow Francis' podcast. Sometimes we spend so much time with the gurus that it's helpful to be reminded of how unserious they are to outsiders. Like, YES, we are joking about them in great detail, but we have to give them lots of time and energy in order to do that. And breaking down so many of their rhetorical moves, piece-by-piece can condition part of our brains (Ok, maybe just mine) into assigning a serious label to their efforts. Maybe because the threat they pose IS a serious one, but it's still nice to get a reality check from outsiders - "They're called WHAT? PFFFFFFFFF..."