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L. Ron Hubbard: Sleeping with Bandits, Hunting with Pygmies And So On (Patreon)

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The Decoders wrap up cult season by dissecting a titan of the cult scene, the founder of Scientology, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard or L. Ron for short. A prolific science fiction author, L. Ron founded an alternative self-help movement and then developed it into his cosmic self-help 'religion' of Scientology.

Scientology has now been the subject of multiple documentaries and even a fairly detailed South Park parody episode, so it feels like many are aware of the general 'deal' of Scientology. But how about L. Rob Hubbard as a guru... how many people have actually taken the time to sit down and just hear the guy out? Here at DTG HQ, we are all about the good-faith deep dives, so we decided to devote some time to analysing a 1966 Rhodesian TV interview with L. Ron Hubbard, in which a friendly Scientologist interviewer (not identified as such) politely tees up Hubbard to explain Scientology.

So join us to find out how L. Ron invented a “workable science,” a “religion of religions,” and a self-help machine that raises IQ, fixes life problems, and proves life after death. By modern standards L. Ron can seem a bit quaint, but because of that, he serves as a useful primer in the core techniques of Guru manipulation, including narcissistic invented biographies, disdain for materialism, a persecution complex, flattery of followers, and anti-establishment disparagement. All of the classics are on display!

So get ready to wake up to your true potential, process your engrams, and so forth.

Links

Source Material Interview: Interview with L. Ron Hubbard in Zimbabwe

Behind the Bastards: L. Ron Hubbard Series

Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief (Documentary)

My Scientology Movie: Louie Theroux

Comments

Lillie

🙏👏

a_cryophilicus

FINALLY a new post, I was getting withdrawal symptoms! 😅

ValueSoup

Elrond Hubcap truly was ahead of his time.

Lord Brannigan-7

Surely 'Behind The Bastards' is a DTG spin-off?

Ryan O'Rourke

I was thinking this was the first posthumous decoding (if L Ron really died, not spirited off to a higher plane), but I remembered Carl Sagan. Have there been any others?

Chris Clark

The brain. Hubbard: “what it does…I’m never quite sure”. Great vibes-pure vibes guy. Honestly if we could all design our own IQ tests-things would be great!

Ajmal Sohail

I mind melded with Matt, I also immediately remembered Langan on that university anecdote, the fetishisation of undergrad physics and math always gets me :p

Elissa

Just started - but pausing to grok Matt and his stubborn insistence to ´read crap cause it’s theré. I pushed through Sitchin and Proust ( yes Proust - Proust is a whiny little bitch ) Zechariah Sitchin was fun tho . If I were you Matt, I’d go back and finish the book series. Cause you never know. It might get better !

Joe Euro

I always thought Dianetics and Scientology were the same thing. There's a Dianetics "outlet" on Tottenham Court Road and they're always outside handing out leaflets

Molly Bretthauer

My only complaint is Chris and Matt should have found some research on how Scientology is floundering today and is estimated to only have around 20k members worldwide. I used to live in a Scientology neighborhood in LA and was obsessed. Would spy on them. Try to talk to them. Knew some who were raised in it as well. Pretty great to hear where it all started.

Linda Sears

Like many, I found Clippy to be disturbing. He often popped up at the least opportune moments and seemed overly interested in helping. I preferred the searcher dog that looked vaguely like a golden retriever.

Paul Ditta

I’m mildly perturbed that Matt read seven LRH novels.

Nancy Hale

The LRH vocal tic that annoyed me: the way he starts some of his answers with “Oh, no, no” in this drawn out folksy way.

Frances goulart

Gee, the auditors have to have a GED in ADDITION to moral fiber? Wow, that leaves me out!

NaughtiusMaximus

Just listening now, around the 55 minutes mark L Ron mentions how Scientology just doesn’t treat the body (or such words). Sounds very similar to what you hear in the wellness industry.

Chomagerider

I Milö really how you say Milieu in English?

Lord Brannigan-7

Most material focuses, understandably, on Scientology as a whole and the lives it has destroyed. But useful to have had this posthumous decoding of the OG of harmful grifty gurus.

Linda Sears

What struck me about this interview was how matter of fact, even blasé Hubbard seemed. The only part where he flashed a little teeth was when he got upset that his Scientology was being compared to psychiatry. It was sort of like the moments when Eric’s well-modulated persona cracks and a “How dare you!” leaks out.

commutercomputer

So did I hear correctly that Hubbard was a proud ableist before the term ableism was even coined?

Amy

I never realized what a guru this guy was and didn’t know much about him. This was very eye-opening. The old-timey language was kind of charming though. “Hither to unknown”.

NaughtiusMaximus

What about Edgar Cayce? Would he fall under something like cult season, probably to much on the spiritual side for regular gurus.

Philip Grant

On the theme of Dr Evil Sr claiming to have invented the question mark: "The major discovery that all forms of life behave according to the principle of survival, and so forth, was made in 1938." Right. Truly no one had ever made such a suggestion before 1938!

Lucy

He sounds like he makes it all up as he goes.

Cameron Buff

Maybe its just my ears, but does he say "and so on and so forth" way to often. He'll get asked something he could list out, and he states like 2 items and then always states and so forth. Is he doing it purposely to give him that facade? Also old mates accent interviewing is aggravatingly posh (Commented this before I got to the part where Matt mentions it)

Joseph Sullivan

L. Ron’s little aside about how he isn’t interested in money, and makes none from Scientology, reminds me of Walton Goggin’s character Baby Billy; he’s a wannabe mega-church pastor and the black sheep in a family of prosperity-gospel grifters. In one scene we see Baby Billy’s commercial for an exorbitantly priced miracle supplement. Baby Billy says: “I don’t make nothing, zero, zilch. By the time I’m done paying my scientists, my research department, lab coats (gesticulates), it’s a wash. Why you do it then Baby Billy? Well, because I’m selfless.” The commercial ends with a huge list of legal disclaimers racing down the screen. Hubbard’s version was just about as believable as Baby Billy’s.

Dial-1-2-enter-in-2-diaLOGOS

Great episode! Loved the summary of his naval career. The bombing of a mineral deposit, and attack on a Mexican island was weirdly reminiscent of Zapp Brannagan from Futurama!😄

Melinda

Giving quite a few Life of Brian vibes (showing my age here). I thought of the "consider the lilies....(ramble, ramble)" scene quite a few times. And "are there any women here today... "(as we female humans didn't seem to be actual people to Elron). These cultist leaders need to take on Brian's ethos "you don't need to follow me, you don't need to follow anybody. You've all got to work it out for yourselves".

Idan Ca

“And so on … and so forth…”

Justine

I cannot believe the utterly unfair characterisation of The Proclaimer’s ‘I’m Gonna Be (500 miles)’ Please no-one tell Matt about the long lists of places in ‘Letter from America’ 😬

Jim

A bit random, but Hubbard’s phrasing and tone reminded me of the way black nationalist leader Khalid Muhammad speaks in a Louis Theroux weird weekend episode https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qTKgMUbOY&pp=0gcJCUACo7VqN5tD&ra=m . I wonder whether he had been inspired by listening to Hubbard speak? He is a similar guruish figure! Maybe I’m just seeing something that’s not there…

Adalheidur

I had the trippiest dreams after falling asleep while listening to this

Lucyna

Werner Erhard modernized Hubbard’s delivery & copied Scientology as Est, now Landmark. It is still holding self improvement seminars (and adjusting to changing times). They also dip into the corporate team building business. The promise of an optimized life continues to be a great selling point.

Clive Clifton

At last someone willing to stand up for the able.