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Ihaxlikenoob

Friggin' finally, the goblet comes back into play in some fashion, we were waiting for so many books for it to finally happen. I'm guessing it had something to do with Clonevos unlockind the Grand Skill since she stated one or two books ago she couldn't use them previously. And as expected any form of negotiation is impossible so long as Salvos is around.

ArcaneOverride

Sally has access to grand skills now. I wonder if that's what the leveled up divine essence did?

Danijel Turina

Wow, the goblet really did save the day. If I have to guess what happened, it boosted Sally's link to Salvos, and the memories started pouring in, for some reason starting with the wall of infinite corruption, which is probably the most traumatic one because she was closest to death there. And she could trigger the [Flames] GS. I hope the link is bidirectional and Salvos sees this, because that Matriarch will bring very juicy experience. And yes, she's here for Salvos, not Centina; they all got it wrong.

Gonvas

I wonder if she's also after Clayton since he also killed an Ancient Centinel...

Sivart

Of course it’s salvos fault

Sivart

My question is does the matriarch only see ancient centinels as its children or are there specific children that are hers in this giant cluster

Danijel Turina

Rachel is quickly learning several things. First, Matriarch seems to be the core of the Centinel problem; the negotiations can't work not because Centinels are implacable as a species, but because their Matriarch is a murderous psychopath. Second, she is a very squishy, weak thing at lvl 75. And third, Sally is in over her head now and has until the GS expires to attract Salvos' attention, and hope she isn't in the middle of a lvl 190 fight in the Netherworld at that point. And yes, I really hope she didn't trigger that GS at some really inopportune moment, spending it so Salvos can't use it in a big fight where her life is in danger. That would be a shit show.

Danijel Turina

"But at the very last moment, Sally rolled and protected Rachel from colliding with the earth." - how does that work? If anything, Sally is much harder than any rock, and if she's holding Rachel in her arms at those G forces, she would shred her at the points of contact. This is no place for Rachel with her speed-only configuration and lvl 75. She's like consistency of a wet paper towel compared to those two, well, gods.

Danijel Turina

Let's assume the link was bidirectional and it got Salvos' attention. Let's also assume this didn't happen in the most inopportune of moments, like Salvos fighting multiple lvl 190s or Focalor. And let's assume she does pull through. How would she fare against the Matriarch? Let's assume she fights alone, although she can pull in some reinforcements. Honestly, having in mind how she fared against Jofis without the +50 title bonus to everything, just [Divine Essence], and having in mind that Centinels are much, much weaker than Demons inherently, and having in mind my prior assessment that she is now more-less able to fight a Primordial to a standstill if not outright win, I think the Matriarch is incredibly fucked in that fight. Sure, she also has some corruption skills and resistance, but I would estimate her chances against Salvos as basically zero at this point.

Azrie

Goblet coming in clutch. Tho, the situation is so screwed damn, I'm preparing for Sally's funeral already.

Crashdevil

I wonder if this is going to lead to a situation where Salvos becomes able to use her abilities to quickly travel between the realms due to Sally potentially shining a beacon in her direction. I also wonder at what point in time does this take place relative to the two different pov's.

Tim

Wow the goblet has been a long time coming. It was introduced in the lich arc, so even before Salvo of vanity existed. Cool to finally see what it does.